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  1. Kris

    We all fall short and will never obtain perfection. Thank goodness, God loves us no matter what.

  2. 3k

    Pax et Bonum, my brother. Let us begin with some of what we are in harmony about, for there is much of that. For example, how important indeed it is for us to know that it is never too late to turn to God – right up to the final moment of our earthly life. Just as the father of the prodigal son looks off in the distance in anticipation of his son’s return and then runs out to greet him, so too our God will run out to meet us if we only we turn toward Him – responding, as it were, to the impetus of the Holy Spirit calling us.

    It is also wonderful that through His Church, God provides the sacraments to be conduits of His gift of grace. It’s not that we get some quantifiable amount of grace from each sacrament as if it were Pez from a dispenser, of course. It’s more like helping us clear the pipeline so that the grace more easily flows to us, or rather that we are more receptive to it.

    And there is no question that faith is a gift.

    With all that we have in common, can the remaining chasm between us fail to be bridged? May it not be so!

    In my effort to bridge the gap I must contend with your choice of the word “enhance” versus “nurture,” the word I used. You see, words mean things. The word enhance conveys the idea of adding value. As you characterized it above, no wonder you would be concerned. Certainly no works of ours make God’s gift of faith more valuable. You see, we agree.

    However, nurture is different from enhance. Nurture conveys a sense of furthering the development of something.

    Now I ask you, can our faith grow? Has your faith grown? Would it be a stretch for me to presume you answered “yes” to those questions?

    Next I would ask you, how does faith grow? Does it grow by sleeping in on Sunday, reading trashy novels, or other secular pursuits? Or does it grow by participation in the sacraments, reading the bible, praying, helping others, and so on? Again, would it be a stretch for me to think you would choose the latter course? Those things are works, my friend.

    Even so, we still agree that those things do not “make our faith grow” as you point out above. I would say that those good works more “allow” our faith to grow. We can stifle the work of the Holy Spirit within us by filling ourselves with other things, like the rich young man placing more value on worldly possessions, or sin. Or we can foster our faith by cooperating with the Holy Sprit and His impetus toward good works.

  3. Douglas Dill

    Faith comes from the church (communion of saints, church universal, etc), where the sacraments are properly administered and the gospel is preached. Faith is from the Holy Spirit by the will of God and there is nothing I can do to enhance, nurture or otherwise do for faith. For if it is my works that have anything to do with faith, it would be through death in sin revealed in the law as that is all humans are capable of in free will is to sin. Though I know the difference my human nature, now fallen, can only be culpable of wanting to and being part of sin. It is the law that identifies our sin.

    Being human I want to do all that is sinful as this is what my condition draws me to. Sleeping in on Sunday, reading trashy novel and other secular pursuits. Faith does grow because of God’s interaction with us through the Spirit in the sacraments and hearing the gospel.

    If doing works is a sacrament, then faith would be increased. If the gospel is heard while doing works, the works its self did not increase the faith but the Spirit in the gospel not the action of works. Hearing, or communication of the gospel I believe is better said, can be done in the Bible. However, again the act of reading is works and it is the Spirit in the gospel that again works for faith. Anytime we do action/works because of a need/want or anything of appearance that is outside of the Spirit moving in us, it is works. Lest we be very careful that reading the Bible in isolation, outside the church (communion of saints, church universal, catholic church) can lead to a false gospel, not one of the true and only God.

    Yes my brother, we agree in many ways. Yet differ in this concept it would appear on the surface. The concern is when we speak of, look for, do or otherwise concern ourselves of works, there is the danger of doing works for the sake of us doing them in exchange. Once we exchange the works, we have sinned and are dammed. Yet, on the other hand, to not be aware of these works and potentially latch on to “cheap grace” is just as much a danger.

    Therefore, all we can ever do is look towards Christ for what has and is done for us in God the Fathers’s only Son. When we fall away, as we will do daily be repentant and seek absolution so that God once again sees us in God’s grace as perfect.

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